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Thursday, January 05, 2006

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david

i bought an unlicked slvr and i was wonderng if i can get help on puting itunes cus my slvr didnt come wit itunesplz help thanx

jbelkin

The HP thing was a weird fit anyway - though I'm not sure aligning with the hated REAL is much of a solution.

But you're jumping the gun a little. A couple of other phones from Moto introduced at CES has itunes and of course, the latest RAZR features the itunes software, the V3i - many people prefer a folding phone so the new ROKR without itunes is pretty much a non-starter in either case.

Tim Coughlin

Thanks for all the great comments I have had. I agree with a lot that has been said, but I am dropping a line to 'melgross' here. I did all my research thank you. I assume you don't agree with what I have said, but I do not see an area where I am incorrect.

HP has left Apple I believe for a number of reasons, but poor sales is one of them. I remember that they were only making up a tiny fraction of sales, yes enough to be number one, but far less than they hoped; probably because they didn't move their iPod into their channels quickly. If they were selling 50% of the iPod being made then do you think they would have dropped the deal. At the time this could have been a realistic expectation.

It is also true that Moto is dropping iTunes. They may have phones coming out including the software for now, though that remains to be seen given the fiasco that went on with the ROKR release. But it is now clear that their eventual aim will be to move into the market themselves, making them a competitor with Apple.

Anyway, thats all for now. Take it easy.

melgross

Please do some research BEFORE you write.

mark

HP didn't stop selling iPods because of disappointing sales. During that period, they were #2, though way behind Apple.

HP left (after Hurd replaced Fiorina) either because 1) they didn't like Apple's policies regarding price protection and lack of advance new product notification, 2) they didn't make enough profit by simply reselling a competitor's product and accessories, 3) they were upset that Apple was moving into their US sales channels like Walmart and Radio Shack, 4) they had a conflict between iTunes' AAC/Fairplay and Windows Media Center WMA-DRM which they sell as PCs, or 5) they had a brand conflict because they are supposed to be inventors/innovators but their MP3 product is not really theirs. Carly maybe didn't care about it but Hurd seems to be bringing them back to their "invented here" philosophy.

Apple also wasn't happy with HP because 1) HP didn't aggressively move iPods into international channels and 2) HP was slow to get iPods to US stores like Walmart and Radio Shack (partly due to complaining about price protection). Which ultimately led to Apple making their own distribution deals.

Regarding Moto, they are selling the E2 as an additional model and continue to sell the ROKR E1. They are also putting iTunes on the RAZR and SLVR. So this partnership isn't over. Yet.

And Apple seems to be working with Cingular on future music downloads over cell phones, which Cingular has said will be sometime in 2006. This could be just for the Moto phones, or it could be timed for the launch of the rumored Apple iPhone.

I agree that Apple needs partners, but a more interesting discussion could be around what types of partners does it need. Apple has many partners supplying content and accessories for the iPod (home, mobile, car), and software and accessories for the Mac. But Apple is a hardware company, and it seems to me that Apple's culture of building end-to-end-systems will not allow it to partner with another company for a core end-user hardware product. Will that spell its doom? We shall see.

theoldie

If you've ever played Go, you'll be familiar with the idea that if in the early stages you are too defensive, you end up with a small, secure territory and lose anyway, and if too aggressive your ambitions crumble to dust. The way to win is maintain control, but only just, until the remaining territory is too small to change the outcome.

Each attempt to compete with ipod/itunes will, eventually, either defeat it or be defeated. Those that are defeated will simply have created territory for the eventual winner. The bigger they are before being defeated, the bigger the free gift to the winner.

With Apple's present market position at this still immature stage of the market, they must surely welcome every competitor to help grow the market. The bigger the play, the better. Those that don't see that entering the market is actually war to the death, will learn (Moto, HP).

What prevents carriers ganging up with music publishers to defeat Apple is P2P and private sharing.

The more adjacent industries eye up Apple's position greedily, the further Apple may be able to eat back into their markets when the dust settles.

Will Apple wither and die, or will Apple end up in consumer electronics, broadcast and telephony as well as boring old PC's?

Shane

http://engadget.com/2006/01/04/motorola-slvr-with-itunes-coming-soon-from-cingular/

This link from Engadget shows a new phone from Motorola being shown at CES that includes iTunes.

william

A GSM Apple phone would be great in the US. Several of the US carriers are GSM (Cingular and T-Mobile come to mind)and unlocked phones are rather appealing.

An Apple iPhone combining a phone, iPod, and smartphone functionality would be awesome. I think the Sony e710 would be a great form factor. That would be like my imaginary iPhone if it had more memory and a better interface. Put the scroll-wheel right were the circle-shaped set of buttons sits.

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